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Boot issue. Regarding Ubuntu Mint/Linux. Fixed, using Fedora.
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Post is unread #41 Jul 30, 2009, 3:00 pm
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I use Ubuntu without any issues and without doing anything special. A clean install and compilation works just fine. Please provide actual evidence when laying the blame with an entire distribution. Otherwise, yes, sorry, you're doing nothing more than generating or relaying completely baseless accusations.

Recall that a lot of the problems in the past were caused by distributions updating compilers -- the compilers were being stricter.

Every single instance that I have seen discussed here about a "distribution error" has turned out to be user error or a legitimate bug in the source. Point me to just a single instance where the distribution alone was at fault and I will go away.
       
Post is unread #42 Jul 30, 2009, 3:06 pm
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Might I remind you that the results from valgrind are strong evidence that something is indeed amiss in the distro because it's choking on a memory error that simply doesn't exist.

Your particular instance of Ubuntu isn't experiencing problems. Are you running "Mint"? If not, then you're in no better position to judge it than I am, but at least I'm paying attention to what's been demonstrated through the compiler output and through the valgrind information in the actual execution log.
       
Post is unread #43 Jul 30, 2009, 3:24 pm
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Give me proof that it's not a bug in AFKMud and not a form of user error -- of course, to do that, we'd need more information from Apoc. But in the meantime, you don't really have any evidence. If there were serious bugs in the distribution, a whole bunch of people would have noticed in a whole bunch of places, and not just one relatively small program in a relatively small portion of the very large space of open source projects. In fact, for that reason, there is some plausibility that this is in fact a bug in AFKMud, but not having looked at the source I'm not going to make that claim at the moment. Not being able to reproduce the error makes it hard to debug, obviously, for both of us.

I'm not sure what you're implying when you say that you're paying attention to output. You're jumping to very strong conclusions based on rather partial information. You have no idea what else went on in between compilation and running the program.

Even assuming for the sake of the argument that Mint is in fact busted, that's a very far cry from saying that Debian and Ubuntu are also busted. Due to plain empirical evidence, they are not.

If your claim is now that Mint is busted, I will still ask for proof, but that is a very different claim than what was originally being made.

Anyhow, this has been beaten to death enough, so I will say no more for now and eagerly await empirical evidence on this matter one way or the other.
       
Post is unread #44 Jul 30, 2009, 3:50 pm
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Lol, calm down, he's just going off what others have said in the past. And he seems to be a strong believer in Fedora. And while I'm on that subject, where are you getting your packages from? "Samson".
       
Post is unread #45 Jul 30, 2009, 4:13 pm
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@David: The empirical evidence was already provided. I cannot make you pay attention to it.

@apocalypticNRG: I install all of the packages I use via Yum unless forced to compile from source because the package doesn't exist. Whatever the Fedora 11 defaults are is where they come from. Yum is a distributed system so they're spread all over the place.
       
Post is unread #46 Jul 30, 2009, 6:11 pm
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Samson where'd you get the G++ package... Doesn't seem to show up in any rpm site...
       
Post is unread #47 Jul 30, 2009, 6:25 pm
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yum install g++
       
Post is unread #48 Jul 30, 2009, 8:51 pm
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well that didn't work, anyone with Fedora, here's the command for g++ and cpp
    yum install gcc-c++

You might also want to install it with some more useful packages. Then your command will be:
    yum install gcc-c++ compat-gcc-32 compat-gcc-32-c++


Salute...
       
Post is unread #49 Jul 30, 2009, 11:24 pm
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Ah, I see, they changed the package name. How nice of them. Starting to become infected by Debian management style. Why do that to people? Ugh.

And really, I don't see why you'd need those gcc-32 compatibility things, they only encourage not fixing actual problems. There is a difference between that and chasing GNU around the playground to keep up with their arbitrariness.
       
Post is unread #50 Jul 31, 2009, 5:48 am
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Yeah, why change the package names? should be as easy as the way you stated it, yum install g++, and bam you download it. The program itself should find the right version for you, download it, and install it. After all its a package manager right? Either way, You were absolutely right about the errors generated by Mint/Linux. You can compile this code with no error's whatsoever, using a version higher 4.4 gcc/g++. Its amazing that it would differ at all. The mud runs perfectly. Time to get to work. Thanks for all the advice guys.

--Apoc.
       
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