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Post is unread #21 Jan 26, 2008, 3:59 pm   Last edited Jan 26, 2008, 4:58 pm by eldhamud
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Actually i was called away with work and was in the process of deleting the post. My better judgment tells me its pointless to argue this stuff with you or anyone else for that matter. It will end up the same, your accuse me, everyone takes it as fact, i show offer proof to the contrary and you dismiss it all as lies, fakes and frauds, then go off on another tangent altogether and make other insinuations about my character.

Personally i can find better things to do with my time. You don't need to make threats about posting privileges, i know how to use self control, i wont be posting any further in this thread or others unless i have something of value to offer the community at large, that has not already been addressed.

Oh and as for the date stamp issue Last edited Jan 27, 2008, 12:52 am by eldhamud

Currently its 10.50am 28th of January here, my emails are stamped with local time, i have had trouble with servers saying thing are dated in the future, never had one tell me my emails have been posted after the actual date tho. So your email date stamp should have been the 22 of jan not the 24th, if it stamped your server time. Im sure you can find a logical explanation for it tho.
       
Post is unread #22 Jan 26, 2008, 4:09 pm
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Maybe we should label you humorless? I don't know. Perhaps the fact that people don't seem to find what you say funny should be telling you something. Either you're simply not funny, or your delivery sucks. I don't care which.

Either way, neither of those emails does anything to address the fact that you got bitchy about how I wasn't responding to you as though this was a critical priority 1 issue.

I also don't appreciate the reckless disregard you've shown for displaying my email address for the spambots to see, and if you do that again with anyone's address other than your own without first asking permission your posting privileges will be revoked.
       
Post is unread #23 Jan 26, 2008, 6:38 pm
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Kayle said:

You have no right to come here and openly attack anyone simply because you didn't see action within a day of sending an email.

Err, Kayle, he didn't openly attack anyone in the first post, unless you count saying that maybe the forum is a better venue than email as a terrible open attack...

And Samson, it's ironic how you go around saying people are humorless and need thick skins and then get all bitter about the IMC thing. (I'm not sure what this "instigation" business is...) Incidentally, I wasn't trying to claim any high ground in this matter as I'm not even involved in it (I'm not sure what high ground there is to take?).
       
Post is unread #24 Jan 26, 2008, 7:35 pm
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So I suppose you and Cratylus were just being playful and friendly last night when the both of you decided to stick it to me for having viewpoints that don't match up with your own? Thick skin I have plenty of, but even that isn't bullet-proof armor and I don't see any reason why I should need to put up with the type of abuse the two of you heaped on.
       
Post is unread #25 Jan 26, 2008, 7:45 pm
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Actually, yes -- I thought it was pretty obvious that we were goofing off. We were making fun of stereotypes, not attacking you personally. It's unfortunate that you didn't see that. :shrug: I guess you'll just have to take my word for it and move on, or don't take my word for it and be pissed off about it.
       
Post is unread #26 Jan 26, 2008, 7:52 pm
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It's unfortunate that your past political positions made it impossible to tell if you were kidding or not, text has a way of not transmitting the laughter I'm sure you brought to each other at my expense. You've given me no reason to believe you were kidding, and Cratylus' hatred toward me has given me no reason to think he was kidding either.

You should probably both be glad you haven't been banned yet since I've had at least 3 requests to do just that after that little episode last night. Many users of IMC2 deliberately chose to come to this network because that kind of hostile and abusive atmosphere is common place on I3.
       
Post is unread #27 Jan 26, 2008, 8:00 pm
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I am ever so grateful of your magnanimous grace towards me, oh great Samson. I am forever in your debt.
       
Post is unread #28 Jan 26, 2008, 8:25 pm
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Prick
       
Post is unread #29 Jan 26, 2008, 8:35 pm
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:stare:
       
Post is unread #30 Jan 26, 2008, 9:09 pm
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DavidHaley said:

:stare:


That's the best reaction to that. For it was mine also. I didn't see that coming, honestly.
       
Post is unread #31 Jan 26, 2008, 9:26 pm
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David saw it coming though. He's just pretending to not know why.
       
Post is unread #32 Jan 26, 2008, 9:33 pm
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eldhamud said:


ZENO: asked how you consider that unethical, and you haven't said a word.

Firstly i ignored you, i have no intention to get into a protracted argument over this with you or anyone else for that matter. As for the ethics, yes it is highly unethical to change to someones code and then try to pass it off as unchanged.


I asked "Correct me if I'm wrong" and you didn't seem to correct me about the fact the code was put in along with comments saying it was you who did that code. That seems to indicate there were no code comments of that sort. Thus I don't see anyone trying to "make changes to by codebase and then pass it off as if it was mine" as you stated.
       
Post is unread #33 Jan 27, 2008, 3:19 am   Last edited Jan 27, 2008, 3:20 am by David Haley
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Zeno said:

I asked "Correct me if I'm wrong" and you didn't seem to correct me about the fact the code was put in along with comments saying it was you who did that code. That seems to indicate there were no code comments of that sort. Thus I don't see anyone trying to "make changes to by codebase and then pass it off as if it was mine" as you stated.

I think that if a file is uploaded with a given author, then the assumption is that, unless explicitly noted to the contrary, the file is authored by that author.
       
Post is unread #34 Jan 27, 2008, 8:15 am
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This thread reminds me far too much of mudmagic. :sad:
       
Post is unread #35 Jan 27, 2008, 10:37 am
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eldhamud said:

Currently its 10.50am 28th of January here, my emails are stamped with local time, i have had trouble with servers saying thing are dated in the future, never had one tell me my emails have been posted after the actual date tho. So your email date stamp should have been the 22 of jan not the 24th, if it stamped your server time. Im sure you can find a logical explanation for it tho.


I know young people take things for granted these days, but having an email sit in a sendmail queue for a day or two isn't unheard of, nor the end of the world. Sure, it might have been sent on the 22nd, and your upstream MTA might have even accepted it then... but there's no guarentee that ALL the MTA's between you and Samson will all be connected and functional. Considering just how many of them are Microsoft exchange servers, I'm amazed email works at all.

However, even assuming the mail really did arrive at its destination on the 22nd, why would a mere 3 days be so troubling to you? Was the codebase going to crumble away in 72 hours unless someone touched it? Did someone go announce it on slashdot and you worried about a huge inrush of downloaders? Was Vinny the loanshark going to stop by and break kneecaps if that codebase wasn't in your hands by Friday afternoon?

In the real world, I can talk to people on the phone and they'll assure me something will get done right away, and that it should be resolved before the close of the business day. In reality, this means an internal memo or email will get sent to someone and it will be plunked onto someone's desk before the close of the business day -- and if that someone already has a big pile of papers, or is out sick, or is in a bad mood... you can bet it won't get touched until tomorrow at the earliest.

In short, unless it's going to cost me money or threaten my health, I don't get upset until a week goes by and I hear nothing. Anything else would just lead to a constant state of exasperation.

In any case, the point is now moot. Moving along...
       
Post is unread #36 Jan 27, 2008, 11:23 am
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GatewaySysop said:

This thread reminds me far too much of mudmagic. :sad:


Heh. Actually, if this had been mudmagic, Eldhamud would have been banned for demanding removal of contributed codebases after a lengthy flamewar about copyright and licensing and all that. Followed by anyone else who supported him being banned, along with their customers if they happen to run hosting services. Then all of Eldhamud's contributions of any variety would have been purged from the repository, and Kyndig would have gone on a vendetta to tell everyone who asked what happened that Eldhamud threatened to sue him, and that he was a trouble making troll bent on destroying the site.

Instead, what we have here, is he got pissy due to his impatience, got what he wanted in the end, and nobody has been banned. Some folks had their feelings singed over it, and an unrelated flamewar erupted. But all in all, nobody is banned and we've all moved past it. At least that's the hope anyway.
       
Post is unread #37 Jan 27, 2008, 1:14 pm   Last edited Jan 27, 2008, 1:21 pm by Zeno
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DavidHaley said:

Zeno said:

I asked "Correct me if I'm wrong" and you didn't seem to correct me about the fact the code was put in along with comments saying it was you who did that code. That seems to indicate there were no code comments of that sort. Thus I don't see anyone trying to "make changes to by codebase and then pass it off as if it was mine" as you stated.

I think that if a file is uploaded with a given author, then the assumption is that, unless explicitly noted to the contrary, the file is authored by that author.


But it isn't. The code is based off Diku/etc, so any code not written by eldhamud in the codebase is pretty normal. I don't think that assumption works in cases like this.
       
Post is unread #38 Jan 27, 2008, 2:35 pm   Last edited Jan 27, 2008, 2:43 pm by eldhamud
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But it isn't. The code is based off Diku/etc, so any code not written by eldhamud in the codebase is pretty normal. I don't think that assumption works in cases like this


This has nothing to do with the code that was added, it has to do with a package being credited to me, which is not the package as i released. Samson has duely noted that he assumed it was the package as i released it and as he was the person to have collected it in his journeys and uploaded it to the site, i think he is in the best position to say for all intents and purpose it was assumed to be my codebase.

If this package was never mine, as you insist, then someone else is having their copyright infringed upon by the package being credited to me, in which case i could be sued for copy theft as it is my name claiming to be the author. Either way, someone is being infringed upon.

My personal conviction is that someone added those things into my codebase in good faith thinking that by doing so would server the community better as a whole. Better password security is a worthy addition and some might thing that having IMC is also a worthy addition also, and all tho these might seem harmless to many who posted to this thread, i feel that it is my right as the copyright holder and author of the codebase to ensure that what is being credited to me is actually my work, and is being distributed unchanged, and if someone would like to make a FUSS version or an IMC version or a derivative they are well within their rights to, as long as it is obvious that the changed versions are not my original work.

I will admit that revoking license was an over reaction, especially since i had asked samson to audit my code looking for any copyright and license violations prior to releasing eldhamud2. But it brought an end to needless debates for me.

If anyone has need to discuss this further with me, you can do so via email, as long drawn out debates about who is right nor wrong hardly server any purpose. I as the copyright holder should not have to justify my position to anyone other than the owners of this site, with whom the original post is aimed and addressed to.
       
Post is unread #39 Jan 27, 2008, 2:49 pm
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And just in case the reply didn't go through, or it got lost or whatever, the last codebase package you sent me to examine passed the audit. Hopefully the users of mudmagic appreciate the effort.
       
Post is unread #40 Jan 27, 2008, 11:45 pm
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And just in case the reply didn't go through, or it got lost or whatever, the last codebase package you sent me to examine passed the audit. Hopefully the users of mudmagic appreciate the effort.


No i did not receive your email. but i do sincerely thank you for taking the time to look through my code and giving my code a clean bill of health. It is important to me, not to have a repeat of the last time i released code to the public.
       
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